tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post1811248844513944771..comments2024-03-18T00:53:33.065+11:00Comments on in all honesty: Issues in Biblical Counselling by Ed WelchJeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01538502318975037711noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-23366627509677619462009-07-16T12:19:25.206+10:002009-07-16T12:19:25.206+10:00Jean, it takes me while to read through the posts ...Jean, it takes me while to read through the posts I have tagged!! Wondering if one can get these talks or do you have to do it through PTC - do you know? I couldn't find it on their website. You could email me at geoffandwendy@hotmail.com.<br /><br />Thanks.Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11235980969755979085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-51740117155832855512009-05-20T22:10:08.781+10:002009-05-20T22:10:08.781+10:00Hi again, Jean. Sorry to be slow in interchange -...Hi again, Jean. Sorry to be slow in interchange - life seems to be getting in the way of blog reading quite a lot at the moment... ;-) - a good reality check! Anyway...<br /><br />Sorry - I didn't mean it to sound like professional help and Christian help should be discrete options! I guess really I was just thinking that it seems like sometimes people think a Christian counsellor can deal with anything and everything. Or that someone who has done one or two counselling units at Bible college is perfectly equipped to deal with the sorts of things that trained counsellors should be dealing with.<br /><br />However, I do think it's important to see professional help and Christians lovingly helping those who are experiencing mental health issues apply the Bible as working together. So it's interesting to read what you're saying about Ed Welch's thoughts. Sounds like he's got some good insights. Maybe one day I'll get around reading some of Welch's stuff, but at the moment, reading is slow going (see comment about life getting in the way!). In the meantime, thanks for sharing what he's teaching you.<br /><br />Becmattnbechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01885771993409495143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-81671012805953740002009-05-18T06:20:00.000+10:002009-05-18T06:20:00.000+10:00Fair enough, Bec, and I'm with you in that I'd ref...Fair enough, Bec, and I'm with you in that I'd refer someone on, definitely, if I thought a professional could help with complex issues I wasn't equipped to deal with.<br /><br />I think Ed Welch gave me confidence that, even then, I could go on loving that person and helping them to live in Christ's truth. <br /><br />He also helped me to know what would be helpful to say when someone is anxious, depressed or delusional - how to come alongside that person with the gospel and how to love them.<br /><br />The person I would love to refer them on to would be someone like Ed Welch, experienced both in issues like schizophrenia and in biblical counselling! <br /><br />But where this wasn't possible I would refer them to a secular counsellor if necessary but keep talking about the issues with them from the Bible too.<br /><br />He talks lots more about all these difficult issues in "Blame it on the brain" and his book on depression, "Depression: A stubborn darkness".Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01538502318975037711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-2202689404333711072009-05-18T03:35:00.000+10:002009-05-18T03:35:00.000+10:00Hi Jean,
I think there's some quite helpful stuff...Hi Jean,<br /><br />I think there's some quite helpful stuff here. I do think there is much truth in the idea you mention that "The Bible is sufficient to deal with all sinful behaviours and negative emotions". However, I think that there comes a point where as fellow Christians or pastors need to recognise the limits of what they're able to help people address as people who aren't trained to deal with mania, schizophrenia, depression, addiction and many other issues. I've heard it said that as a general rule, as pastors etc, if you can't help someone to sort out the problem within 4-6 sessions, it's probably better to point them in the direction of more experienced/trained/professional help. That is, while the Bible does help us to address psychological issues and Jesus is the answer, it's also worth recognising what help we are able to offer but also that we're not necessarily equipped to deal with everything (or at least not alone), particularly ongoing or complex mental health issues. I'd be interested to hear if Ed Welch has any insight on this and/or where he thinks we should draw the line.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Becmattnbechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01885771993409495143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-75978377044977806932009-05-15T19:58:00.000+10:002009-05-15T19:58:00.000+10:00Oops, that wasn't Michael, it was me! JoOops, that wasn't Michael, it was me! JoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-39284142735843553102009-05-15T19:57:00.000+10:002009-05-15T19:57:00.000+10:00Hi Jean,
Sorry I am such an erratic poster!
Yes, I...Hi Jean,<br />Sorry I am such an erratic poster!<br />Yes, I am doing their counselling course by distance education. I have only done two papers so far, but they have been so good! Sounds like heaps of what you got in your series was what I have done so far. I am about to start the small group study written by them, called How People Change with my Bible Study group and then with the students at the seminary. It will be interesting to see how it goes. <br />JoJohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571881356968950818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-59271980778543486782009-05-14T13:54:00.000+10:002009-05-14T13:54:00.000+10:00Wow, Jo, are you doing a course with them?Wow, Jo, are you doing a course with them?Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01538502318975037711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7276278342039529509.post-16922926919280596712009-05-14T13:45:00.000+10:002009-05-14T13:45:00.000+10:00Hi Jean,
That sounds like a great series. I have b...Hi Jean,<br />That sounds like a great series. I have been profoundly encouraged (and challenged) by the counselling papers I have done at CCEF. It is like a feast for the soul, listening to the practical theology of Powlison, Welch and Tripp. Oh, for such practical wisdom and discernment.<br />Thanks for the reminder today about getting on with loving people!<br />JoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com